
Dr. Keith Humphreys and Andrew Huberman dive deep into the science and psychology of addiction, covering everything from alcohol and cannabis to gambling and social media. They break down how genetics influence susceptibility, expose the tactics of "addiction-for-profit" industries, and provide evidence-based tools for recovery, ranging from 12-step programs to new pharmaceutical options like GLP-1 agonists. The discussion emphasizes that while biological risks exist, recovery is possible through compassionate, community-based approaches and a clear understanding of one's own motivations.
Dr. Humphreys clarifies that addiction is not just about doing something repeatedly or compulsively. The true definition revolves around the persistence of a behavior despite harmful consequences. While a normal person stops a behavior when it begins to destroy their life, an addict continues.
He offers a profound definition of addiction: A progressive narrowing of the things that bring one pleasure.
"You see the other types of rewards, particularly natural rewards, start to fall away from the person's life. So, I'll sacrifice my relationship with my parents... I will stop going to work... I'll give up my housing for the sake of this substance."
Eventually, the substance or behavior becomes the only thing that provides relief or pleasure, making it incredibly difficult to quit because the rest of life has been stripped of joy.
It is a myth that babies are "born addicted." They can be born physically dependent, but addiction is a behavioral and psychological relationship with a substance. However, genetic risk is real and significant.
"The only way to determine that a substance will not damage your life is to never use it in the first place."
While the medical field often uses "Alcohol Use Disorder," Dr. Humphreys and Dr. Huberman agree that the term alcoholic is still useful and widely understood, especially within recovery communities. It helps people identify a specific relationship with the substance.
There is a subset of people (about 10-15%) who experience alcohol differently. When they drink:
While this sounds like a "superpower," it is actually a huge risk factor. Because they don't get the punishing signals (dizziness, hangovers) to stop, they can drink massive amounts, leading to severe addiction.
The alcohol industry realized years ago that men were drinking to capacity, but women were an untapped market. They launched campaigns (e.g., "mommy wine culture") to frame drinking as essential to female relaxation and bonding. As a result, alcohol consumption and related damages among women have skyrocketed.
"You do not make money off people who have half a bottle of wine on special occasions. You make your money on the people who drink the equivalent of multiple bottles of wine every single day."
Dr. Humphreys debunks the popular idea that moderate drinking (like red wine) is good for your heart. The science shows that zero alcohol is better than any.
"If that is true [cardiac benefit], it's smaller than the cancer risk. So your net is you're not going to get any mortality gain... from drinking alcohol."
Comparing modern cannabis to the weed of the 80s or 90s is impossible.
This massive increase in potency means the brain exposure is about 65 times higher than in the past. This is not the same drug anymore.
Dr. Humphreys notes that the link between high-potency cannabis and psychosis (schizophrenia-like symptoms) is becoming undeniable, especially for young men.
"It's kind of a performance degrading drug... Your odds of your death being directly traced to it are extraordinarily low. But it does with regular use undermine certain things that you need to succeed in the modern world like short-term memory and concentration."
Dr. Humphreys highlights gambling as a prime example of an industry aggressively deregulated to the detriment of public health.
"There is no customer like an addicted customer."
Casinos are engineered to remove friction. They remove dealers (who slow down the game) in favor of machines that provide instant dopamine hits. They allow smoking and provide free alcohol to lower inhibitions. It is a dense pack of addictive triggers.
"Someone had a heart attack at one of the machines, fell over on the floor... and none of them even reacted. They just kept playing as this person died."
There is cautious optimism about psilocybin (magic mushrooms) for treating depression and addiction, but context matters.
Dr. Huberman and Dr. Humphreys discuss the late Dr. Nolan Williams' work on Ibogaine for veterans with PTSD and addiction. It is a heavy, intense experience (often 22+ hours) that seems to "reset" the brain.
"There's no evidence that people get addicted to psilocybin... I've always worried about them far less as a class of drugs than I do things like stimulants."
"If you consumed all the nicotine in a carton of cigarettes, it would kill you... That it is so popular [is] remarkable."
If you or someone you know is struggling, the approach isn't to shame them. A good therapist asks, "Why do you want to quit?"
The single best thing you can do when changing a behavior is to hang out with people trying to make the same change.
"You want to start jogging? Join a jogging group. You want to stop drinking? I would... suggest go check into an AA meeting... Having other people on the same journey is good for us."
Dr. Humphreys defends Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) against its critics, citing rigorous reviews (Cochrane Collaboration) showing it is as effective or more effective than expensive clinical therapies for achieving abstinence.
"It is the closest thing we have to a free lunch in public health."
AA works because it provides a new social network. You lose your drinking buddies, but you instantly gain a group of friends who celebrate your sobriety.
Drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy (GLP-1 agonists) are showing fascinating side effects. Originally for diabetes/weight loss, patients report that they "lose the noise" regarding food. They just stop thinking about it.
"I have a friend who's an addiction psychiatrist. She said what my patients desire is they want not to want... That voice is just gone."
Dr. Huberman shares stories of young men stuck in a "failure to launch" state—addicted to video games/YouTube, medicated for ADHD, and unemployed.
"I hate social media. I think it's bad for my mental health, but I have to be on it because everybody else is. And that is really tragic."
In a moving conclusion, Dr. Humphreys discusses his 10 years working in hospice care. He did it to conquer his own fear of death.
"Being the last friend somebody ever makes is an incredible honor."
Recovery from addiction is not a matter of willpower alone; it requires a shift in environment, biology, and community. Whether through 12-step programs, medical interventions like TMS or GLP-1s, or behavioral changes like locking away a phone, the path out involves finding connection and purpose that outweighs the addictive substance. As Dr. Humphreys advises his own children: "You will never get addicted to something that you choose never to use."
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